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this is david marlar ufo researcher and

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you're listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and joining me

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on the podcast is a graduate of mit and

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stanford university a successful

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entrepreneur venture capitalist video

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game pioneer best-selling author indie

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film producer and galileo project

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advisor this is only to list a few of

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his many achievements and achievements

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and academic qualifications i would be

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here all day if i went through them all

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uh finally on the podcast res van res

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rez welcome to the podcast

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thanks for having me on great to be here

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well i hope i've done you justice there

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because you've got quite a background of

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accolades achievements um

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groups you're a part of groups of

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startups you've created and you know you

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must be a very very busy man so

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i want to try and get right into it to

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really make the most of your time today

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now you released a book last october was

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the release date in the uk titled the

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simulated multiverse and this was a

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follow-up to the simulation hypotheses

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and we're going to discuss kind of both

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of them within the body of this i know

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many of the listeners have already at

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least got the first one if the listener

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questions or anything to go by and have

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or plan to pick up the second and that

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second book's full title is the

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simulated multiverse and mit computer

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scientist explores parallel universes

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the simulation hypotheses quantum

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computing and the mandela effect that's

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that's quite uh a grouping there so

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let's kick off with simulation and the

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idea of simulation hypotheses then this

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has come up on the podcast before and

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i'll start by saying i'm a huge fan of

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the matrix series and at 36 years of age

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the late 90s i was just about to hit my

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it was probably that time a lot of us

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were introduced to the idea of unless

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you were like an anime fan and saw a

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ghost in the shell in those types of

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shows

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that you could be inside some sort of

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living computer game or could use

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everything around you a simulation

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that's how many of us got introduced to

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that idea when you talk about

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simulations or simulation theory is that

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what you're thinking of or is that too

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well that's a flavor of simulation

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theory and you know

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contemplate it you know a little more

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seriously was when the matrix came out

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1999 but there were also several other

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simulation related films that came out

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that same year one of which was called

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the 13th floor

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which was based on a german tv show

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called world on a wire which was based

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on a book from the 1960s called

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simulacan crown 3.

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and so i think if you look at the matrix

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and you look at the 13th floor you get a

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good sense of the different flavors of

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simulation theory but in in each of the

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the idea is that we are inside a super

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and it's indistinguishable from physical

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now when i talk about the flavors uh

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this is i think you know the most

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that doesn't get talked about enough and

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and that is the rpg

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versus the npc flavors of simulation

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theory and so npc stands for non-player

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character and so those are all the ais

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anyone who plays video games knows that

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character that's a bartender or a bank

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teller or a security guard and maybe you

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get some money from them or you get a

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drink or whatever the case may be

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academics talk about simulation theory

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the idea that we are all ai within the

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simulation uh uh speaking of movies

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npc right and so that gives you a flavor

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simulation theory and that i think is

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closer to what we saw in the matrix so

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neo-morpheus trinity existed outside of

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the simulation in this case they existed

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simulation they were plugged into the

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game in this case literally they had a

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wire that was plugged into the back of

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their head you know what we call brain

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think about simulation theory now the

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two are not mutually exclusive right in

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aspects of simulation theory that and

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that they're one of the axes on which

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the right or to the left and and uh

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simulation theory became popular because

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of a professor at oxford named nick

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who wrote a paper in 2003 called

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are you living in a computer simulation

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and uh you know i can get into that a

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details but basically what he said was

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for a technological civilization

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build these virtual worlds that's a

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point that i like to call the simulation

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point and i'll tell a story in a little

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while about you know how i started to

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think about the simulation point

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but he basically said there's three

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possibilities uh and i like to just boil

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it gets to that point and it creates not

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just one simulation

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but creates lots and lots of simulations

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right literally billions of simulations

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each of which have billions of simulated

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beings within them or trillions of

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simulated beings i mean all you need is

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more computer power right you just you

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just fire up another server in the cloud

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uh and you can simulate all these beings

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chances that we are in base reality

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are one in billions right so that means

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this the chances that we are in a

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simulation are billions to one or less

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reality but there's billions of

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simulated worlds with trillions of

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simulated beings so if you live in a

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world statistically which one are you

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the trillions or billions of those if

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you're a sim if you're a being are you

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more likely to be one of these or are

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you more likely to be one of the larger

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numbers so it was kind of a statistical

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and so people have taken that to heart

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and that's gotten academics and

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scientists to think more seriously about

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this idea that you know we could be

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inside someone else's or our own

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computer simulations now that implies

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personally i find the opposite

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uh end of the spectrum more interesting

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where each of us are actually in a

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multi-player game closer to what we saw

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so we kind of dove right in there to the

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issues that i don't know yeah no no no

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no there's a lot to unpack and i'm glad

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a lot of what you've covered there i've

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got follow-ups on anyway so we're on the

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in the matrix it's been created by the

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the computer world and they've taken

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charge and they've plugged everyone in

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humanity and we're being used as

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batteries you mentioned free guy um free

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marvel aspect of it obviously it's a fun

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film but ryan reynolds is a non-playable

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character who becomes sentient within a

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computer game when he sort of breaks the

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but he's in a game that's been created

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there has to be an origin or creator

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simplest being that there is a god-like

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are some types of creators uh if we're

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that it has to be a single creator like

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a godlike figure that's possible could

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it be that we are co-creators right

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people always ask well what's outside

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right uh is it aliens

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is it future versions of us

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coined the term ancestor simulations and

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you're in the roman empire right we are

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going back to our ancestors and we are

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simulating them in order to see you know

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what might happen or

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how much fun it could be and so you know

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is that it's future us right another

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physically outside this dimension in a

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world at all right just like we can

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simulate lord of the rings online our

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physical world doesn't look like you

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for uh new zealand i guess does but yeah

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yeah

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now with the the new show coming out

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right exactly

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and so you know there's that possibility

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that it's a completely different type of

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physical universe and that we are one of

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those that are being simulated and so

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you know there are different ideas but

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one of the reasons why i find simulation

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theory so interesting

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is that uh basically it provides a

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framework

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and a way to think about

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the spiritual or religious ideas

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uh about

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uh and religions have been telling us

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since the meaning of time that this is

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not the real world right that this is in

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some type of illusion or maya

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in the quran they even mentioned this is

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a game that was set up for you right

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so you know all the religions have

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pretty much been telling us in some form

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or another that this isn't the real

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world there's another world outside of

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this but again it could be that we are

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creating these aspects ourselves and so

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it could be that we are non-physical

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bodies we are consciousness either that

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has evolved to some point and we need to

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get we need to put on the virtual

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reality headset it's which is not just a

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virtual reality right in the matrix it

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wasn't just that you saw right if

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somebody punched you you actually felt

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it right

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and there's a famous scene where you

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know morpheus where neo asks morpheus is

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this real because he got taken out of

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the matrix and then put into another

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mini matrix or in mini simulation where

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he's sitting in this red chair and it's

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all white around he says is this real

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and morpheus says well what is real real

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is a reality is a series of electrical

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signals going into your brain and so

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it's possible that you put on this not

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regular multi-virtual reality what we

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think of as virtual reality but more

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like a

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uh

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full interface that lets you feel

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everything that's going on with your

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avatar right and and that gives us uh

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the ability to experience and again

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people say well why do we make you know

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why would somebody make a simulation of

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us

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and i say well why do we make

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simulations right

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and there's usually two reasons

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at least two reasons maybe there's many

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more but one of which is

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uh in the kind of uh pure you know ai

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computer simulation we like to see what

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will happen right we like to run the

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simulation to see if the weather you

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know what is the likely outcome uh or if

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there's a pandemic or if there's you

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know a meteor strike right we run these

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computer programs these simulations and

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we try to see all the different possible

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outcomes and we run them multiple times

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to see what what the outcome is uh as or

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in some cases we say well this is the

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the most optimal outcome so we try to

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select from those and then we try to

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vary the parameters so that reality

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lines up with that simulation

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and then the other big reason is to have

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fun to have experiences that we can't

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have i mean i talked about lord of the

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rings if you think of fantasy games i i

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can't necessarily fly on a dragon in uh

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quote unquote real life but i can do it

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inside the video game so there are

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experiences that perhaps we can have

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outside but it definitely implies that

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there is something outside physical

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reality now what that something is you

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know that's up for debate

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if i can boil it down to a crude analogy

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that we're in some sort of complex

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version of the sims

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there's the option on something like the

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sims where there are multiple players

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and they could all have a say in

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building that simulation

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now

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we look at you mentioned religion and

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each religion has its figureheads some

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have multiple figureheads is there a

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possibility that there are multiple gods

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or creators of our simulation and they

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all have a hand in how how it's being

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played how it's being run

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some may be more interested than others

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and just to tie it back a little bit to

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the ufo topic we hear from people about

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different species being involved some

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being future humans some being from

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distant galaxies to other realities is

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it a chance that they

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all have a part to play and and this

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simulation is such that we we may be in

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yeah i think that is definitely possible

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that it's not just you know one creator

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but rather

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you know i call it the great simulation

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which has been running for a while and

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it will be running for a while and you

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can have different factions right both

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outside the simulation and inside the

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simulation and in a multiplayer game you

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know no one person gets to decide

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exactly what happens in a multiplayer

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game like you know for example second

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life or uh minecraft or some of these

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other games you can actually create like

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with second life and roblox

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some of these two you have these tools

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to create pieces of the simulation that

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you

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own quote unquote uh and then other

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people can come and see that and so you

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may have these different groups

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that are kind of running the simulation

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for their own ends you know kind of like

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the hunger games where people are

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watching and some people are rooting for

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one player and others are rooting for

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another player so there's definitely you

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know that that possibility and now when

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you talk about ufos you know where does

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it intersect with simulation theory in

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in many different ways but yet this idea

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that the ufos may not be

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physical ufos

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uh coming from

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another

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planet or solar system within our

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physical universe uh but they may be

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coming from another dimension or they

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may be coming from another time and so i

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think that's one of the areas you know

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where it overlaps another area is you

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know i spent some time talking with

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jacques valet whom i'm sure your your

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listeners know as the ufo podcast

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and you know he was telling me about

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multiple

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scenarios where he would interview ufo

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witnesses and you'd have a situation

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where one person saw the ufo and the

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other person standing next to them

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didn't see the ufo right and you know

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i've heard many stories where

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you know the ufo materializes right

447
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right in daylight you're just sitting

448
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there watching and suddenly this thing

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just appears right now

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you know one explanation for that could

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be some type of cloaking but that

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doesn't account for the fact that some

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people can see them and others can't

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but if they are

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being rendered inside a video game then

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that makes a little more sense i mean

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this is how we render things in video

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games all the time so for example i'm

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not really talking to you right now

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right i'm talking to my computer those

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bits are being transferred to a server

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they're being transmitted to your

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computer your computer is rendering me

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speaking and then same the other way now

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what we do in video games is because

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each character has their own

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you know set of data

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and their own parameters we can make it

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so that a level suppose you're a level

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30 character and i'm a lowly you know

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level 2 character inside the game now

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you could see something in the scene and

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say look i see it it's right there next

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to the trees and my character would look

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at the trees and not see it and that's

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all being controlled by the perception

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of who the server decides

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um and it could even be that there are

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other players who accept their

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visibility for you know this person can

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see it that person can't see it and so

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you get into a lot of these interesting

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situations i remember one case jacques

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told me about and he said it was i think

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it was in northern california or or nor

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in the northwest u.s uh like oregon or

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some place but place where they had

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these giant redwood trees and there was

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some something on the ground that

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indicated something had landed something

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physical and then you know after the

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other investigators left jacques spent

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some time with the witnesses and he said

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wait you said the ufo came down at a 45

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degree angle

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and then landed you know right over

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there they said yeah that's right he

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goes well

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there are these giant redwood trees that

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means it would have had to go through

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the red witches

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and and they were like yeah that's true

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but we didn't want to say that to the

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other people because they will sound

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nuts

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but that's exactly what happened right

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and so it's almost if you've ever played

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a video game where you're rendering

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something like there's a period of time

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where you can move through the walls and

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stuff and then once things get rendered

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you can't move through the walls anymore

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and so you know it makes sense to me

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that whatever's happening with this

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phenomena there's a material component

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and a non-material component and if you

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adopt the framework of a simulation

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uh and people that may be you know both

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players of the simulation but also

520
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people that are people quote unquote

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that are outside the simulation

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are able to send things into the

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simulation and are able to watch our

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reactions which is another thing that

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jacques says is that sometimes he thinks

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it's a kind of a like a puppet show

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right some kind of a show that's being

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set up to watch our reactions or or

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you know uh there's some kind of

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deception going on there right yeah and

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for me that's really interesting because

532
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that trickster element of the phenomenon

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is talked about quite a lot and

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i wonder if again being in a simulation

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with with multiple creators or multiple

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players on the outside it would make

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sense if they had different agendas you

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know if you're playing the sims with

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your friends everyone's really bought

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into it at first and say there's three

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or four of you playing the game you've

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all got the same idea let's let's build

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a town let's build a city

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someone wants to do it properly someone

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starts the game but gets bored and heads

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off and loses interest they they've kind

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of given up their stake someone else

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halfway through decides actually i want

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to cause a bit of chaos let's set a riot

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off in the town and you you can do all

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sorts of things and someone else says

552
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let's start a massive crime spree and

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set some buildings on fire and

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everything becomes chaotic and then they

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are now at loggerheads

556
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,720
and do they just leave the simulation to

557
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,559
run free and i suppose some people would

558
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:39,039
argue the state of the the world at the

559
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,559
moment maybe the simulation has been

560
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,480
left to to kind of run without much

561
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,720
supervision that's a another argument

562
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,000
for another time

563
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,160
but i suppose to me that helps make a

564
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:49,440
little bit of sense that if there are

565
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,240
multiple people or our species looking

566
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:53,919
at us and influencing us as a

567
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,039
civilization over time not just now

568
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,120
that that would explain multiple players

569
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:00,960
multiple gods whatever you want to label

570
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,480
them as aliens you know demons spirits

571
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,039
it starts to make sense of that for me

572
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:08,720
i want to ask you something whereas tom

573
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,520
delong has said that very recently in an

574
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,000
interview uh collectively we can

575
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,559
influence reality by just thinking it by

576
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,159
creating it ourselves and whether you

577
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,480
want to call that making your own luck

578
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,480
but he was literally talking about

579
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,039
collectively manifestation of what you

580
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,520
want to happen can happen governments

581
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,039
apparently know this and that's tom

582
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,880
delong being tommed along and just going

583
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,919
off the rails a little bit in

584
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,440
conversation

585
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,520
again would this be a similarization

586
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,000
simulation lend itself to this idea

587
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,159
thinking about the matrix thinking about

588
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,919
neo being told you know you can bend the

589
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:44,480
spin ultimately neo ends up flying and

590
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,640
manipulating his whole reality

591
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,360
round about them do you think by having

592
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,159
that high awareness of a control that we

593
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,240
are in we can also can manipulate the

594
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,720
system around about us

595
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,640
yeah i think we can i mean there is an

596
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,799
element i i didn't hear that specific

597
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,960
interview with tom delong i think you

598
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,360
might have been with them stevo you know

599
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,360
stevo from jackass has a podcast called

600
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,840
steve was wild ride it was just a few

601
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,000
months ago he's alluded to it before but

602
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,840
yeah it was it was very much

603
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,919
paraphrasing but word for word that was

604
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,280
his quote yeah

605
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,880
yeah well and that's interesting because

606
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,280
it sort of implies that we

607
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,000
together you know are creating what's

608
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,520
going on in the simulation but we aren't

609
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,799
always aware

610
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,679
of these powers or these superpowers as

611
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,440
in the case of neo and in the uh you

612
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,840
know the the hindu yoga and buddhist

613
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,440
traditions you know there's a lot of

614
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,200
this they even have terms for them

615
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,960
they're called siddhas right and they

616
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,960
get developed by advanced yogis who get

617
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,640
to the point where they realize oh

618
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,159
physical reality isn't what we think it

619
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,640
is therefore they can manipulate it and

620
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,480
do things within it you know and and i

621
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,840
think spoon bending is an interesting

622
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,400
one because you know it's in the matrix

623
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:54,000
people see it in the matrix they assume

624
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,200
it can't be done but then there's a

625
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,200
whole group of people who run spoon

626
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,799
vending parties you know have a friend

627
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,960
in sedona she runs bending parties every

628
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,200
month and you know you can go there and

629
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,880
you can experience not exactly like it

630
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,720
was in the matrix but you know i

631
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,640
mentioned this at google when i spoke at

632
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,159
google and they were like totally with

633
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,400
me through the whole ai component of

634
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,919
simulation theory but you know then when

635
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,320
i mentioned oh yeah and you know there's

636
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:18,159
this group they just you know over at

637
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:18,960
the

638
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,640
point where you have to like show here's

639
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,799
the spoon that i bet

640
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,080
doing it but

641
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,280
the thing with spoon bending that's

642
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,760
interesting is it's much easier to do

643
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,919
in a group of people right it's much

644
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,400
harder to do on your own and so there

645
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,760
may be this pliability to reality but

646
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,159
it may also involve multiple people

647
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,960
which

648
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,760
to me looks more like a multiplayer game

649
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,760
where you have the more people you know

650
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,600
that kind of vote if you think of like

651
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,240
blockchain today right corporations in

652
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
the past were you know specific

653
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,840
hierarchical corporations and now

654
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,679
there's these things called these things

655
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,120
called daos

656
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,720
distributed

657
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,080
organizations right basically um and so

658
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,480
what what they do is you know the power

659
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,000
is spread out amongst the group of

660
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,640
voters within it and so you know i think

661
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,080
there may be something

662
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,200
to that general that general idea and

663
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,200
you know i think there is an overlap

664
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:23,200
with the the phenomenon and you know i

665
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,559
finally got to meet lou elizondo

666
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,520
recently

667
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,919
uh and uh you know at the galileo

668
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,000
conference that we just had uh over at

669
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,559
harvard and you know he in his take was

670
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,880
well it could be outer space inner space

671
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,799
and everything in between right

672
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,120
and you know he doesn't talk a lot about

673
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,679
that but he always mentions it

674
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,360
right and so you know i think with the

675
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,480
government

676
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,720
you know they don't really

677
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,640
when they talk about it publicly i mean

678
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,320
they don't really acknowledge that side

679
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,240
of it right it's more of a this is a

680
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,320
nubs and bolts thing if they're here

681
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:56,159
they're in our airspace

682
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,600
they're potentially a threat we need to

683
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,120
find out you know

684
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,559
what's going on with the civilization

685
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,520
but it my suspicion is that internally

686
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,360
from people that i've talked to they

687
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,760
understand that it's more than just the

688
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,360
nuts and bolts thing but they're not

689
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
quite they don't know quite how to deal

690
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,279
with that right they don't have

691
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,919
the mechanism or the terminology

692
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,720
to put that into you know any kind of

693
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,799
rapport or legislation so they have to

694
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,640
keep it to the nuts and bolts side

695
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,880
otherwise it's not really i mean it is a

696
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,720
defense issue but not really it becomes

697
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,440
like a weird responsibility issue in

698
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,480
terms of

699
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,000
you know even within the galileo project

700
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,919
i mean the goal is to to have telescopes

701
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,400
so that we can we can look and and

702
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,320
actually get scientific data

703
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,240
that you know is controlled within a

704
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,400
controlled environment with instruments

705
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,559
that are controlled even even they're

706
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,000
primarily concerned you know with

707
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,520
looking at you know these physical

708
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,279
objects because that's what science

709
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,799
knows how to do and i like to think of

710
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,080
science as

711
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,919
as helping us develop

712
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,840
understand the physics engine

713
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,000
of the simulation and so when we build

714
00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:00,080
video games now it used to be you had to

715
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,520
program the physics like if you think

716
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,200
back to like really old school games

717
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,760
like when i was a kid like asteroids you

718
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
know and the ship would like kind of

719
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,360
float like that or float like that if

720
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,159
you turned it and so now there's these

721
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,240
components called physics engines and

722
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,840
you can change the physics engines you

723
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,760
can change the constants you can make it

724
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,159
so you can fly but you know each game

725
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
has its kind of fixed physics engine

726
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,240
that the creators of the simulation

727
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,400
agree on and they decide but they're

728
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,159
always super users right so you can

729
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,159
always have super users who could tweak

730
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,840
those constants and the developers can

731
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,919
do that as well and and that's where i

732
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,120
think you know when we talk about

733
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,279
influencing reality we're kind of

734
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,279
tapping into that larger power to

735
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,559
co-create pieces of the simulation but

736
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,880
we've sort of forgotten that we are also

737
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,720
the creators

738
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,679
how do we go about beginning to try and

739
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,640
prove

740
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,799
these sorts of hypotheses that we live

741
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,799
in a simulation is it even something

742
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,919
that is provable

743
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,840
well it's a tricky it's a tricky

744
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,440
question and of course this is one of

745
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,960
the reasons why many scientists try to

746
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,400
dismiss simulation theory because they

747
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,279
say well

748
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,039
it's non-falsifiable meaning you can

749
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:09,360
never prove that it's not true

750
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,400
right

751
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,640
because the simulation could be so good

752
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
that there's just no

753
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,720
uh evidence but that said

754
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,120
in my opinion just because something

755
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,600
you can't prove something is not true

756
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,760
doesn't mean that you can't find some

757
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,799
evidence

758
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,799
that it might be true right

759
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,880
um and so for example you know when we

760
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,880
talk about science you know i always use

761
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:33,200
the example of rocks falling from the

762
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,080
sky

763
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,000
and for hundreds of years you know

764
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,440
european scientists thought this was

765
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,919
nonsense yet they kept hearing reports

766
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,320
from you know people in the countryside

767
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,600
saying yeah there's rocks fell from the

768
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,320
sky there and the reaction was

769
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,120
well no there are no rocks in the sky so

770
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,600
obviously this must be nonsense right

771
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,279
and that reminds me a lot of how

772
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,480
mainstream scientists have reacted uh to

773
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,799
ufo reports well they can't be aliens

774
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,400
because there are no aliens that can

775
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,480
reach us because of einstein you know

776
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,520
and so

777
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,640
they kind of have that but then

778
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,120
eventually they found evidence of these

779
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,880
rocks and when you know there were like

780
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:10,960
literally thousands of them fell on one

781
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,840
french town and you know the scientific

782
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,600
society in paris they sent somebody out

783
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,919
to investigate he said yeah i mean not

784
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,760
only you know do we have multiple

785
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,960
accounts if these things actually

786
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,200
happening but the rocks themselves don't

787
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,880
match any composition of anything here

788
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,880
and they match this other these other

789
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,039
reports and this other rock we have from

790
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:30,880
you know 50 years ago that supposedly

791
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,760
also fell from the sky and so the

792
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,000
problem wasn't so much that you couldn't

793
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,600
show that it was that we had the wrong

794
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,840
model for that and so you eventually had

795
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,679
to find evidence so i think you know it

796
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,600
is possible that that we find evidence

797
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,039
now there's a groups

798
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,320
there are different groups who are

799
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,640
looking at at this idea can we find

800
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,399
evidence we're in a simulation

801
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,120
uh there's a group led by uh physicist

802
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,720
tom campbell

803
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:56,080
who you might know or some of your

804
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,200
listeners might know he wrote a book

805
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,960
called my big toe my big theory of

806
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,799
everything and he's been talking about

807
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,000
this idea that we're in a virtual

808
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,240
reality for a lot longer than most

809
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,320
people i think it was 2003 when he first

810
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,159
published that as well and so he's

811
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,520
working with

812
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,960
a group

813
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,919
a professor from caltech

814
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,000
and cal poly they wrote a paper

815
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,919
basically trying to show that the

816
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,640
quantum observer effect phenomena you

817
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,279
know is the same as

818
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,840
uh being an observer in a video game and

819
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,279
and you know i find this kind of

820
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,720
interesting and compelling and i talk a

821
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,799
lot about it in my book is we've all

822
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,720
heard of the observer effect

823
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
but no one's been able to understand why

824
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,440
it works or even how it works right

825
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,840
there's a lot of different theories

826
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,520
and you know the basic idea will be

827
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,799
familiar probably most people

828
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,880
schrodinger's cat is the easiest way to

829
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,880
explain it which is that you have this

830
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,399
cat in this box

831
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,559
with some radiation and a poison and you

832
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,240
have a 50 chance

833
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,240
that the poison gets released and a 50

834
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,960
chance the poison doesn't get released

835
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,039
and so there's a 50 chance the cat is

836
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,080
alive and 50 chance the cat is dead

837
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,159
and so common sense tells us the cat

838
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,480
must be alive or it must be dead after

839
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,320
an hour we don't know because we haven't

840
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,559
looked and what quantum mechanics tells

841
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,600
us is no the cat is both a lie and dead

842
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,279
it's in what they call a state of

843
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,320
superposition it's like two positions

844
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,399
of the variable and it's not until

845
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,320
somebody observes it or

846
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,159
there's some debate on what constitutes

847
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,159
an observation it could be a measurement

848
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,520
etc but until that observation happens

849
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,600
neither of those possibilities is true

850
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,679
and both of those possibilities are true

851
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,919
and then once somebody looks at it

852
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,480
the probability wave collapses

853
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,520
to a single possibility which is say the

854
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,399
cat is alive and so now you have you're

855
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,039
at that now to me that reminds me a lot

856
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,520
of how video games are built

857
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:52,240
right because a lot of computer science

858
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,960
and

859
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,640
you know computer programming is all

860
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,320
about optimization

861
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,360
so you know if back in the 80s

862
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,799
they were trying to build a game like

863
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,840
fortnite right real time multiplayer on

864
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,200
a mobile phone they just wouldn't be

865
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,720
able to do it

866
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,600
why is it too many pixels or the sims

867
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,600
online right like talking about 3d

868
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,919
multiplayer games uh

869
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,760
too many pixels not enough processing

870
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:18,080
power communication speed wasn't there

871
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,120
but

872
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,720
you know and if you ask somebody who

873
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,000
just looked at the brute force method

874
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,520
you'd say we'd never be able to keep

875
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,279
track of that many pixels across so many

876
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,840
different computers but we were we are

877
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,440
able to do that why

878
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,679
because we did optimization and we only

879
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,720
render

880
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,120
that which our character observes in the

881
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,679
video game so my avatar is walking in a

882
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,360
scene and your avatar is walking in the

883
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,760
scene well those get rendered on each of

884
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,600
our computers but only

885
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,760
you know the the part that we can see

886
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,520
our my computer doesn't have to render

887
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,399
the whole world with all of the pixels

888
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,320
it only needs to show that which is

889
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,720
being observed and so that to me

890
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,120
gives us a why you know for these types

891
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,000
of quantitative effects as well

892
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,760
when you look at it it becomes an

893
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,679
optimization method

894
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,240
and it also means there's some element

895
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,159
of randomness or choice that's going on

896
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,320
here that we don't fully understand but

897
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,320
it allows us to

898
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,080
you know to see these things and then

899
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,600
when multiple players are in the same

900
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,640
room

901
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,320
oftentimes there's information that's

902
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,960
cached on the server in a video game and

903
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,960
and cached on the client and by caching

904
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,760
it just means we keep track of you know

905
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:27,039
what's to the left and right because

906
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,240
that's what you're going to need to see

907
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:30,000
next right you not only need to see the

908
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,120
current room but you need to be able to

909
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,039
see the next room but you don't need the

910
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,880
room that's you know 50

911
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,880
50 miles away because it's going to take

912
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,399
you forever to get there right now you

913
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,240
can get to that when you get there and

914
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,080
so those are all like tricks that we use

915
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,399
in the video game industry and you know

916
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,840
it seems like when you get to quantum

917
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,720
mechanics um that there are some weird

918
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,399
tricks going on here and they remind me

919
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,559
of optimizations being made

920
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,799
uh and also trying out different paths

921
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,080
which you know we can talk about in a

922
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,159
minute with the multiverse yeah

923
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,240
when you mentioned free guy ryan

924
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,039
reynolds character in the game

925
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,880
doesn't have free will because he is

926
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,640
repeating patterns and going over the

927
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,120
same routine he goes to an atm always

928
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,799
wanting to have the money for this pair

929
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,960
of shoes this pair of sneakers

930
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,799
and he never just has enough and it's

931
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,399
the same every day he orders the same

932
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,000
coffee at the same place in the routine

933
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,799
as they are and when he realizes that

934
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,480
you know he can't do certain things and

935
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,559
he doesn't have free will he manages to

936
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,159
break the cycle

937
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,320
but what would happen to the notion of

938
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,600
free will for us if we discovered that

939
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,799
we were in a simulation would that

940
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:36,240
change a lot do you think people would

941
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,360
panic

942
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,039
the idea that we're not really in charge

943
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,720
of things for ourselves

944
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,640
yeah well some people believe that right

945
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,720
some people say well we don't want to

946
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,240
find out a foreign simulation for a

947
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,559
couple of reasons there was a philosophy

948
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,640
professor who wrote a uh

949
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,159
op-ed in the new york times a few years

950
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,399
ago and he said we shouldn't try to find

951
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,240
out if we're in a simulation and the

952
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,919
reason why is

953
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,760
because then the simulators might shut

954
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
us off right

955
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,320
and so the whole simulation will be over

956
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,399
yep and you know that's an interesting

957
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,440
point

958
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,279
because it depends on the purpose of the

959
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,640
simulation

960
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,760
uh in i mentioned the 13th floor earlier

961
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,840
and what i like about that is so i mean

962
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,720
this is a 20 22 23 year old movie so i

963
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,240
think i can give away

964
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,840
what happens but you know they're in the

965
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,559
90s and they create what we today would

966
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,600
call an ancestor simulation of the 1940s

967
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,600
and so they've got all these characters

968
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,840
living their lives or maybe 1930s in

969
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,760
this previous timeframe and then the

970
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,519
character from the current time can

971
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,279
actually hop in

972
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,480
and take over

973
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,159
like somebody's body and so they can

974
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,640
experience that time and then eventually

975
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,480
when it comes back to 90s

976
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,080
they realize that they're actually in a

977
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,760
simulation and there's somebody coming

978
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,000
from the future and what the person from

979
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,480
the future you know this woman she says

980
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,559
well we created thousands of simulations

981
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,840
and you're the only one that created

982
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,279
your own simulation

983
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,279
and you're using computing power so we

984
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:01,279
we're gonna have to shut you down

985
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,399
and so we're gonna shut down the

986
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:04,960
simulation and so you know that's one

987
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,720
possibility uh of of uh you know of

988
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,560
simulation theory that maybe bothers

989
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,119
some people uh but of course that i

990
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:15,040
think it gets back to the thing that i

991
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,159
started with

992
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,000
which which to me is the most crucial

993
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,159
aspect of simulation theory which is the

994
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:22,399
npc versus the rpg

995
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,280
question

996
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,200
so if we're npcs

997
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,320
then we are just code that's running but

998
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,720
if we're rpgs then we do have an element

999
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,280
of free will because we exist outside of

1000
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,839
the game and we are making choices for

1001
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,720
our player within parameters perhaps

1002
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,800
that we have set for ourselves right so

1003
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,560
like when i play a game i might choose

1004
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:43,760
to be

1005
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,560
barbarian with you know strength of 100

1006
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,399
and you're getting back to dungeons and

1007
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,079
dragons all of these role-playing games

1008
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,280
are based on

1009
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,119
dragons where yeah we used to have a

1010
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,720
character sheet and we would actually

1011
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,160
literally write out you know this is

1012
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,839
your cunning this is your wisdom this is

1013
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,680
your intelligence and you'd roll the

1014
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,960
dice and you get these numbers and then

1015
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,400
you roll it up just like in stranger

1016
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,200
things right it's so popular nowadays

1017
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,359
but it's possible that we also have

1018
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,280
storylines you know that we have laid

1019
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,920
out for our characters but it it still

1020
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,320
gives you this ability to have free will

1021
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,960
and so some people think well

1022
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:20,000
if we're in a simulation then

1023
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:21,040
everybody's going to go around killing

1024
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,240
everybody and there's no point to

1025
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,880
anything right and again that depends if

1026
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,599
if you go if you think we're in an npc

1027
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,200
simulation

1028
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,240
you might not have some free will or

1029
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,400
you know if you look at it from the

1030
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,040
perspective of how we run simulations

1031
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,280
we try out different things and we set

1032
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:41,119
parameters and we say okay let's choose

1033
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,400
these parameters and let's see what

1034
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,880
happens right and so it could be

1035
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,400
that if we live in a simulated

1036
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,079
multiverse which is

1037
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,640
the subject of my my second book that we

1038
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,280
are trying out these different scenarios

1039
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,440
uh and you know i got to thinking about

1040
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,119
this from

1041
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,160
reading speeches uh by science fiction

1042
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,240
writer philip k dick and interviewing

1043
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,880
his wife tessa but so you know before we

1044
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,440
get into that i i'm of the opinion that

1045
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,800
thinking that we're in a simulation can

1046
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,200
also have an empowering effect which is

1047
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,119
that when we're in a video game

1048
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,640
we have challenges

1049
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,599
and those challenges are part and parcel

1050
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,920
of the game right i mean if you had a

1051
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,520
game with no challenges then it wouldn't

1052
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,200
be very much fun

1053
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,280
and in fact in the matrix in the sequels

1054
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
if you remember

1055
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,480
uh in the siege in the sequels they

1056
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,119
revealed there was an earlier matrix and

1057
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,960
that the first version was this kind of

1058
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,040
idyllic life

1059
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,960
and you know no nobody took that

1060
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,599
seriously like the humans didn't believe

1061
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,839
that was reality right and so they had

1062
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,680
to create this grittier version of the

1063
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,400
matrix and there was a guy who was sort

1064
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:47,920
of the grandfather of the video game

1065
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:50,800
industry nolan bushnell he started atari

1066
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,839
back in the 1970s and he had it saying

1067
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,040
which was

1068
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,200
you know make the game you know easy to

1069
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,520
play but hard to master and that's what

1070
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,760
makes for a fun game and i think that

1071
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,920
is is what makes for fun in the game of

1072
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,240
life as well it's easy to play right but

1073
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,240
it's not so easy to master necessarily

1074
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,560
and if you didn't have these challenges

1075
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,240
uh you know the game would not be very

1076
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,839
interesting so a good way to think about

1077
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,280
it is perhaps we've set up these

1078
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,839
challenges for ourselves i mean we all

1079
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,079
go through various periods of

1080
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,160
significant problems and challenges

1081
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:23,920
whether it's financial economic

1082
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,359
relationships health especially right uh

1083
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,520
and we might say well this sucks this is

1084
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,680
a terrible simulation right

1085
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,520
if that's the case i'd i'd rather make

1086
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,440
myself a billionaire and have perfect

1087
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,359
health and not do anything but you know

1088
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,000
perhaps this this is part and parcel of

1089
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,000
why we want to experience the simulation

1090
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,680
because maybe we don't have those things

1091
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,599
outside the simulation and so it gives

1092
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:47,520
us a different way to

1093
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,040
i think get a perspective on our lives

1094
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,400
as being a series of quests and

1095
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:54,079
challenges and if at first you don't

1096
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,359
succeed well you're going to keep

1097
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,560
playing the quest right you're not going

1098
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:57,839
to say oh i'm going to abandon the game

1099
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,640
necessarily like reincarnation being a

1100
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,079
chance to start again and go you know

1101
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,000
what next time i'm going to come back is

1102
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,160
one of elon musk's kids and i'm going to

1103
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,000
start with the i've put the cheat codes

1104
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,000
in i'm starting with a billion dollars

1105
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,680
and life's going to be fun like playing

1106
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,480
gta with that unlimited money and yeah

1107
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,839
or maybe you want to make things a bit

1108
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,359
harder next time or maybe someone's

1109
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,599
making those choices for you depending

1110
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,680
depending on what you've done

1111
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,280
when you mention yeah i think you're

1112
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,880
right on that by the way and i think

1113
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,880
there's this idea of a difficulty factor

1114
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,599
so

1115
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,440
you know we should keep that in mind

1116
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,520
that just because somebody has an easier

1117
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,560
life

1118
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,560
you know doesn't mean like certain games

1119
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,880
if you turn up the difficulty factor

1120
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,359
right you actually get more points

1121
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,119
from playing the more difficult version

1122
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,599
even though you might not get as far

1123
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,280
and so it's a bigger accomplishment so

1124
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,200
let's keep that in mind as well

1125
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,200
yeah if you're putting more work in then

1126
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:51,040
the reward at the end is greater you're

1127
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,320
going to you're going to reap the

1128
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,079
rewards for the hard work and the effort

1129
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,680
and that that can be true of life and

1130
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,359
and hopefully that's true of for many of

1131
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,440
the listeners listening to this as well

1132
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,560
you mentioned

1133
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,880
multiverse how does that come into it is

1134
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,400
there an opportunity that if there are

1135
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,880
multiple timelines and i am living

1136
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,640
multiple lives i always love the notion

1137
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,880
that with the universe being endless

1138
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,960
that there is a reality or universe

1139
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:15,040
somewhere where i am batman is always

1140
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,640
one of the great one of the great quotes

1141
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,760
because everything's happening

1142
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,359
everywhere all the time

1143
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,400
and

1144
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,160
that would be a tragic sorry state if i

1145
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,560
was batman i know but you know it's got

1146
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,320
to be somewhere but

1147
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,680
as an opportunity for me to converse

1148
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,520
with other versions of myself in

1149
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,200
different simulations

1150
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,200
i started to think and stopped because

1151
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,119
i'm not intelligent enough to do it but

1152
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,800
is that where dreams come into when

1153
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,480
you're dreaming are you accessing some

1154
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,200
of those other realities or if people

1155
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,200
are seeing ghosts

1156
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,680
as a kind of bleed over of a different

1157
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,520
reality a different dimension a

1158
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,960
different a different multiverse

1159
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:53,119
universe is is that along the lines of

1160
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,160
what you think or what are the

1161
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:56,240
possibilities are

1162
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,160
pretty interesting

1163
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,160
and so i mentioned quantum physics

1164
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,800
earlier and you know they don't nobody

1165
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,640
really understands quantum physics

1166
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,240
that's what richard

1167
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,880
feynman said uh he was a nobel prize

1168
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,000
winner and

1169
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,560
one of the other interpretations is that

1170
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,280
not just you know the cat is alive or

1171
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,359
dead but that there are two worlds and

1172
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,599
we split off into two universes one

1173
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:23,359
where the cat is alive and one where the

1174
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,560
cat is dead

1175
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,920
and so you know that then leads to more

1176
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,680
decisions and you end up with more and

1177
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,760
more universes and so pretty much

1178
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,440
anything that could have happened

1179
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,160
has happened along one of these paths

1180
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,839
right and i started to think about this

1181
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,160
because after after my simulation

1182
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,400
hypothesis book came out i was sitting

1183
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
down with a friend of mine another

1184
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,079
graduate from mit

1185
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,319
who was working for google and so he had

1186
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,839
come to mountain view where i was living

1187
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,599
just down the road from the googleplex

1188
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,960
and he said well you know have you heard

1189
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,880
of this thing called the mandela effect

1190
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,480
i said yeah i've heard of it but you

1191
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,920
know i didn't really pay too much

1192
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,920
attention to it at the time and he goes

1193
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,680
well you know simulation theory might

1194
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,720
explain it i said oh that's interesting

1195
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,240
and and so i started to go down this

1196
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,000
rabbit hole of the mandela effect which

1197
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,520
you may have talked about probably at

1198
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,280
some point do me a favor though because

1199
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,640
there are some listeners who might not

1200
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,400
be familiar with the concept some will

1201
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,520
someone if you don't mind just

1202
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,960
explaining again about the mandela

1203
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:18,000
effect

1204
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,640
situation where a subset of people

1205
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,760
remember

1206
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,480
history happening differently than

1207
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,240
the majority what we'd call the

1208
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,240
consensus

1209
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,200
version of history or reality and it's

1210
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,160
named after nelson mandela

1211
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,240
it was a blogger named fiona broome in

1212
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,400
2010 i think she she coined the term

1213
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,720
when she found that there were a group

1214
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,880
of people who remembered nelson mandela

1215
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,480
dying in prison

1216
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,960
in the 1980s uh but of course in our

1217
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,040
timeline that didn't happen and he came

1218
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,440
he got out of prison he became president

1219
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,760
of south africa he won the nobel peace

1220
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,160
prize and he died i think it was in 2013

1221
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,079
is when he died right and yet people

1222
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,400
have distinct memories and not just one

1223
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,000
or two people but a very large number of

1224
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,560
people and they remember his wife winnie

1225
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,200
taking over leadership of the party they

1226
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,960
remember bill clinton speaking at the

1227
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,200
funeral uh

1228
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,359
et cetera or or different dignitaries

1229
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,440
speaking at the funeral and and so you

1230
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,680
know this was a really interesting

1231
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,440
concept and so it kind of took off

1232
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,760
online and you couldn't really do this

1233
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,520
uh you couldn't really figure this out

1234
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,680
before the internet because now you have

1235
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,359
this ability for multiple people to tell

1236
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,440
you you know their experiences and

1237
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,280
gather them in one place and then it

1238
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,960
turns out there are many other

1239
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,920
events

1240
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,599
in history where which some people

1241
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,920
remember differently one another big one

1242
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,319
that i find interesting is the tiananmen

1243
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,839
square

1244
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,560
situation with the uprising in china and

1245
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,000
the guy who was standing in front of the

1246
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,680
tank like there was footage of that that

1247
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,680
was you know kind of beamed out all over

1248
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,599
in the tv set and so

1249
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,720
as as i think the majority remember it

1250
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,640
the tank did not run over that guy who

1251
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,040
was called take boy online but some

1252
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,640
people remember the tank running him

1253
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,480
over and being a very bloody scene and

1254
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,880
talking about it and so you know you get

1255
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,839
this

1256
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,440
not just big events you get a lot of

1257
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,880
little things though one of the ones

1258
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,160
that's pretty famous is the the

1259
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,240
bernstein bears i was going to bring

1260
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,000
that one up yeah that's and that's not a

1261
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,440
program i'm familiar with being in the

1262
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,599
uk but it's been stained versus

1263
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,599
berenstein or stein yeah versus

1264
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:23,280
berenstein a lot of people remember it

1265
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,640
as steen like

1266
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,800
but it's actually s-t-a-i-n if you look

1267
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,560
at it now and now what's weird about

1268
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,640
that one you might say okay it's just

1269
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,760
one letter

1270
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,160
difference right but it's it's what i

1271
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,800
call having people that for whom

1272
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,599
that

1273
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,240
event has higher significance

1274
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,240
or or closer proximity and so there are

1275
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,839
many people remember

1276
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,599
talking about it

1277
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,000
with to wondering why these bears are

1278
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,680
jewish right because one of those

1279
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,359
spellings is jewish and one of those is

1280
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,119
not and they remember having

1281
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,880
conversations with adults when they were

1282
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,839
kids

1283
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,839
about that and so they have a closer

1284
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,680
proximity to that and so they might have

1285
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,599
talked about it you know similarly there

1286
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,000
are people in evangelical christians who

1287
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,680
remember the reverend billy graham who's

1288
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,280
big here in the us

1289
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,520
uh you know dying many years or several

1290
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:12,160
years before he actually died and you

1291
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,359
know they got people saying that their

1292
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,599
parents who are devout followers of

1293
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,079
these particular reverends and they get

1294
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,920
magazines about them every month

1295
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,240
remembering on the cover you know there

1296
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,160
he was with his death and he died and

1297
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,240
all these people spoke at his funeral

1298
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,000
and so it's less likely that you're

1299
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,280
going to

1300
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,520
get that wrong if you were closer or you

1301
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,520
had a proximity to it

1302
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,599
so that's the mandela effect yeah it's

1303
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,520
an interesting one because there's like

1304
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,520
you say there are big examples

1305
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
the name namely the mandela one being

1306
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,119
the biggest but the smaller ones again

1307
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,359
are logos for clothing brands foot of

1308
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,200
the loom it's a clothing brand really

1309
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,960
famous and there's people show you the

1310
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,720
logo and say which is the correct logo

1311
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,640
and people remember it being largely the

1312
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,400
one that isn't

1313
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,160
how much of this though is just your

1314
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,400
brain filling in the gaps because it

1315
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,760
wasn't something you pay loads of

1316
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,040
attention to

1317
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,359
and your brain just fills in the world

1318
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,040
around you like those videos with the

1319
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,800
tank going along your brain

1320
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,640
automatically processes regardless of

1321
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,319
how long you see that clip well what

1322
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,000
happens next the tank's going to run

1323
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,800
over the guy and just as time goes on

1324
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,720
that becomes the reality of what

1325
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,800
happened in your head because well

1326
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,960
that's what i've always thought happened

1327
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,280
do you think it is just a case of your

1328
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,359
the brain playing tricks

1329
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,400
or is there something more to these

1330
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,000
these mass

1331
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,680
not delusions because they may not be

1332
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,359
that these mass assumptions these mass

1333
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,560
realities is a case of reality slipping

1334
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,480
as a case of a change being made to

1335
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,000
think in the matrix it was the glitch

1336
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,560
the black cat passing by the door twice

1337
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,119
right is that what we're looking at

1338
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,880
well that's a good question and so you

1339
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,640
know originally my take was kind of the

1340
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,960
mainstream uh scientific take is oh

1341
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,640
that's just faulty memory or your brain

1342
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,319
filling stuff in and i think with the

1343
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,720
smaller stuff it's possible that's the

1344
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,640
case you know like jif versus jiffy

1345
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,319
peanut butter i mean there are fruit

1346
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,000
loops being spelled one way versus

1347
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,760
another but i think as you get to the

1348
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,200
more like i said you get the more

1349
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:06,960
significant stuff it becomes more and

1350
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,520
more difficult to believe that you know

1351
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:11,040
especially if you had conversations

1352
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,319
about it with people right it's one

1353
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,240
thing if you just sort of remembered

1354
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,480
something a certain way and so you know

1355
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,720
i i decided to take the tact to say okay

1356
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,280
well what if this were true how could it

1357
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,599
work in assuming and turns out a

1358
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,359
simulated environment it's much easier

1359
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:27,119
for this to happen in a simulated

1360
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,480
multiverse and so

1361
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,000
you know i mentioned earlier that i

1362
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,000
interviewed the uh the wife of science

1363
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,160
fiction writer philip k dick and you

1364
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,040
know he had a speech in mets france

1365
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,480
back in

1366
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
1977

1367
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,240
at a sci-fi convention where he had a

1368
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,880
famous line and he said we are living in

1369
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,119
a computer-programmed reality and the

1370
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,119
only clue we have to it is when some

1371
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,920
variable is changed some alteration in

1372
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,400
our reality occurs now the reason i

1373
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,599
interviewed his wife was because that's

1374
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,760
a famous phrase within simulation theory

1375
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,880
and i just thought i'd get some more

1376
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,720
color around it but i didn't really pay

1377
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,920
attention to the second part of what he

1378
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,880
said there

1379
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,839
right that it wasn't just that we're

1380
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,000
living in a computer program reality but

1381
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,079
that you can change variables

1382
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,920
and then he said it would be as if you

1383
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,640
were

1384
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,200
re-experiencing the same events

1385
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,880
and you were hearing the same things

1386
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,520
saying the same words and he actually

1387
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,119
came to believe this is what was really

1388
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,359
going on so he had a book called a man

1389
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,720
in the high castle which is about uh a

1390
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,040
timeline where germany and japan

1391
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,599
the axis powers won world war two and

1392
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,240
then they split the us between them and

1393
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,760
so you know it's a science fiction novel

1394
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,280
but he actually came to believe that

1395
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,920
that timeline really happened at some

1396
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,760
point in the past and that it was

1397
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,319
unwound and so you know he came to this

1398
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,400
conclusion partly because he would have

1399
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,240
these little things happen like he went

1400
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,920
into a bathroom and he had a chain light

1401
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,079
if you remember the old chain lights and

1402
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,599
suddenly it wasn't a chain light it was

1403
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:52,559
a

1404
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,000
stories but

1405
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,920
it also formed the basis for uh the

1406
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,000
movie the adjustment bureau which came

1407
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,240
out a few years ago with matt damon and

1408
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,480
emily blind but basically you know he

1409
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,680
started to theorize that there were

1410
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,720
these people

1411
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,200
changing little variables but that is

1412
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,720
the more important part of what he's

1413
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,400
saying is that

1414
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,559
if you actually change a variable

1415
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,480
you run it again and you see what's

1416
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,480
going to happen right well it turns out

1417
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,160
that's why we run simulations in the

1418
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,359
first place right we change variables we

1419
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,760
run it again to see what will happen and

1420
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,319
there's a concept within

1421
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,240
you know computer science called

1422
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,400
computational irreducibility

1423
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,079
which was coined by a guy named stephen

1424
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,680
wolfram who was uh

1425
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,319
he created the mathematica software a

1426
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,119
physicist uh later turned uh into more

1427
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,640
of a computer guy and then he believes

1428
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,240
the whole world is based on computation

1429
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,240
but this concept means that in order to

1430
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,920
find out what will happen you can't take

1431
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,160
a shortcut you can't just calculate what

1432
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:54,160
will happen at step two million you have

1433
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:54,880
to

1434
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,160
ninety nine thousand nine ninety nine

1435
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,280
and before that 998 997 and you have to

1436
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,520
run all those steps to see what will

1437
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,440
happen because in each of those steps

1438
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,599
there are choices that could be made

1439
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,440
and things could go differently and so

1440
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,040
there's these random elements that you

1441
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,200
run into simulations and so that's when

1442
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,800
i really started to look at well is it

1443
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,640
possible that what people are saying

1444
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,920
about

1445
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,839
the multiverse and what we're talking

1446
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,079
about with the mandela effect

1447
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,160
and this idea of peeking into other

1448
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,280
realities

1449
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,480
really is us just trying to try out

1450
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,520
just trying out these different

1451
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,000
timelines and so it's possible that you

1452
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,319
know when we say there's only one

1453
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,000
physical reality

1454
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,599
what we mean is that is the one that is

1455
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,839
being rendered right now but that's not

1456
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,079
necessarily you know the likely one or

1457
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,800
the outcome and when we run video games

1458
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,400
we do this all the time we project

1459
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,400
forward to see what might happen

1460
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,079
right and then we cut off certain paths

1461
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,839
because they don't look promising and

1462
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,359
and turns out that's what philip k dick

1463
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,200
was saying and he got to the point where

1464
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,640
he thought he was communicating with

1465
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,920
some

1466
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:02,160
beings who were actually running the

1467
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,359
simulation

1468
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,040
they could be aliens they could not be

1469
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,839
who knows but you know and and his wife

1470
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:09,200
said that sometimes he would be talking

1471
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:10,319
to these guys and i said well what do

1472
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,359
they look like and she goes well i

1473
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:13,040
couldn't see them but i would see like

1474
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,319
this weird

1475
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,720
you know kind of look like a plasma or a

1476
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,280
weird ripple or something and they even

1477
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,280
told them at one point that they had

1478
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,920
prevented the assassination of jfk

1479
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,520
in dallas

1480
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,040
but then he ended up dying in orlando

1481
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,559
right and that or you're gonna end up

1482
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,160
getting assassinated somewhere else or

1483
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,079
it ended up in a bad way like with the

1484
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,760
nuclear war and so that was the reason

1485
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,079
they unwound that timeline but

1486
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,160
if you think about this idea of a

1487
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:40,800
of a path right of a river with

1488
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,839
different tributaries um there's a an

1489
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,720
old short story from a guy named borges

1490
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,640
who which is called the garden of

1491
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,280
forking paths and in it he talks about

1492
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,839
you know all of these paths have existed

1493
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,240
right and that may be what's happening

1494
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:59,119
uh in in real life and so the science

1495
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,319
scientists have come up with this idea

1496
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,839
of the multiverse which is every time a

1497
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,079
decision needs to be made we break off

1498
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,319
into another physical reality and that's

1499
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,839
of course what gave rise to all the

1500
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,839
multiverse fiction that we have now like

1501
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,359
yeah you know doctor strange and the

1502
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,240
multiverse of madness we have the dc

1503
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,559
multiverse uh there's actually a great

1504
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,480
movie depicting the multiverse that came

1505
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,319
out earlier this year

1506
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,920
everything we are

1507
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,160
that's the one yeah and in that one

1508
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,640
she's verse hopping right she goes and

1509
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,400
experiences now the difference that i

1510
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,400
find interesting about that one

1511
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,079
versus the other multiverse depictions

1512
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,040
is that

1513
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:34,480
you know there's only one of her in a

1514
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,359
way

1515
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,920
she's hopping back and forth whereas in

1516
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,520
the other depictions you know you're

1517
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,359
meeting other versions of yourself like

1518
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,920
physical versions of yourself and and

1519
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:45,599
that's that's an interesting open

1520
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,200
question but what if we were simulators

1521
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,760
and players in this game and we can

1522
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,000
basically say okay stop this one let's

1523
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,319
run this other one i want to see how it

1524
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,359
goes

1525
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,720
uh and then you know this is where

1526
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,760
simulation theory then intersects with

1527
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,359
this other area that i spent a lot of

1528
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,960
time looking into which is near-death

1529
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,240
experiences

1530
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,760
right so you know i have a friend named

1531
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,359
daniel brinkley and he wrote a book

1532
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,880
called saved by the light back in the

1533
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,960
90s which was really popular and he got

1534
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,599
struck by lightning and he was dead for

1535
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,760
so many minutes and you know he

1536
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,599
described the classic near-death

1537
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,160
experience right hovering over your body

1538
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,400
meeting a being of light but the the

1539
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,720
area that really stood out to me was

1540
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:28,960
he he called it a holographic

1541
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,160
360 panoramic life review so it was

1542
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,760
reviewing every single moment of your

1543
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,000
life but in such vivid detail

1544
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,480
uh that you know it was as if it was

1545
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,559
being recorded and played back but then

1546
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,400
he had to go and experience that from

1547
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,079
the other person's point of view for

1548
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,240
every interaction he had in his life so

1549
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,839
and he used to shoot people in the

1550
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,440
military right so he had experienced

1551
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,240
what it was like being shot by him and

1552
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,680
or he used to get a lot of fights he was

1553
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,760
a bit of a bully he's a big guy when he

1554
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,760
was a teenager and so he hit his foot

1555
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,760
was like being beat up you know by

1556
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,680
himself and he goes that changed his

1557
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,079
entire perspective now you know for me

1558
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,559
as a uh as a computer science guy i say

1559
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,280
well if if this is true and thousands of

1560
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,200
people have been reporting this and

1561
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,119
there may be millions that have had you

1562
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,280
know these things happen to them

1563
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,440
then to me i'd say well how is it

1564
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,000
possible unless it's being recorded

1565
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,240
right somewhere and so you have to be

1566
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,599
able to play it back and so you know if

1567
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,280
it's just like a video game today you

1568
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,520
know my nephews go on youtube

1569
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,760
and they watch like people playing uh

1570
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,680
recording of their video game session of

1571
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,240
star wars online you know yeah one of my

1572
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,680
nephews when he was like

1573
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:39,200
three years old or four years old was

1574
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,640
like i want to watch that guy and that

1575
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,640
girl plays star wars

1576
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,880
and and so it was like reviewing the

1577
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,359
game figuring out what you did right or

1578
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,920
not and that's what we do in in esports

1579
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,440
and i was part of a company in silicon

1580
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,200
valley where you could put on a virtual

1581
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,720
reality headset

1582
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,480
and then you could put you could go

1583
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,319
inside a game that you played previously

1584
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,240
just on a regular screen like league of

1585
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,400
legends so anyway that that all kind of

1586
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,359
ties to this idea that perhaps you know

1587
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,520
there are

1588
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,680
recordings but also

1589
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,599
within the near death experience every

1590
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,920
now and then you find someone who sees

1591
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,000
what would happen in the future if they

1592
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,599
chose x versus y and it's almost like

1593
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:21,440
it's like the uh the i don't know if you

1594
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,839
have a red journey of

1595
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,359
souls by dr michael newton

1596
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,400
he was a

1597
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,920
hypnotic therapy he was like a

1598
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,280
psychologist but

1599
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,520
he used past life regression therapy at

1600
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,200
one point but he ended up in the

1601
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,800
in-between state

1602
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,559
in between lives which i would i would

1603
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,960
what i call outside the simulation and

1604
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,960
what the buddhist might call the bardo

1605
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,200
and what he calls the in-between state

1606
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,520
and he said just before people claimed

1607
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,040
they were being born

1608
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,960
they would be like these machines it

1609
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,400
would be like a movie projector and you

1610
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,319
could see these different timelines and

1611
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,160
if they made different choices it would

1612
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,240
go this way versus that way

1613
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,160
and and so you know that this all kind

1614
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,520
of tied together for me and that's what

1615
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:01,760
the simulated multiverse is about with

1616
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,960
this idea of quantum computing and i

1617
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,240
won't get into quantum computing too

1618
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,160
much but quantum computing is

1619
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,040
uh uses qubits rather than bits

1620
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,920
so bits are like zeros and ones and they

1621
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,680
have to have a value of zero one but q

1622
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,599
bit is like schrodinger's cat it has a

1623
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,000
value of both zero and one and so if you

1624
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,760
have like four bits

1625
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,920
you know you would have two to the

1626
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,799
fourth

1627
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,400
different possibilities 16 if you just

1628
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,280
make a zero and one and that basically

1629
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,280
is defining a multiverse believe it or

1630
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,599
not because it means er and the way

1631
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,319
content computing works is that it

1632
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,319
theoretically solves problems that are

1633
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,760
too complicated

1634
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,760
and would take too much time for us to

1635
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,000
solve using regular computing

1636
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:45,680
it's like the old uh

1637
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,119
story of the the king and the chessboard

1638
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,119
in india where the king likes to play

1639
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,720
chess and this wise man says i'll play

1640
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,400
chess on one condition because the king

1641
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,000
says you know if you win i'll give you

1642
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,440
whatever you want he goes okay here's

1643
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,680
what i want i want one grain of rice on

1644
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,520
the first square of the chessboard two

1645
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,440
grains of rice on the second square

1646
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,680
three grains of rice on you know i'd say

1647
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,119
four grains of rice and then eight

1648
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,960
grains of rice so doubling each time

1649
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,400
yeah and the king is like fine and of

1650
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,160
course the guy won

1651
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,240
the wise man won the game but turns out

1652
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,799
by the time you get to the 64th square

1653
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,720
there's not enough room in all of india

1654
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,960
to store that many crates right and so

1655
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
that's what we call an exponential

1656
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,400
problem it's very difficult to solve

1657
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,079
because you have to explore all of those

1658
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,799
pathways well quantum computing

1659
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,480
explores all of those pathways by

1660
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,480
looking at different worlds each of

1661
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,680
which has the different values of the

1662
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,799
bits

1663
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,480
so anyway this is i mean i've gotten

1664
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,319
kind of a little bit in the details here

1665
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,480
but this is you know where i think the

1666
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,040
simulated multiverse you know makes more

1667
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,680
sense as a way for exploring multiple

1668
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,040
paths and then

1669
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,200
picking a path uh and what we think of

1670
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,440
as reality is just one of the things

1671
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,680
being rendered at this point in time the

1672
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,440
same way if we go back to ufos you know

1673
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,640
there are people who claim they've

1674
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,160
talked to

1675
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,480
aliens who were really people from our

1676
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,960
future saying don't go down this path

1677
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,480
you know why would they say not go down

1678
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,000
this path well if they've already been

1679
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,160
down that path right so they've gone so

1680
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,920
far on the tree and we're over here and

1681
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,319
they're trying to get us to fork to a

1682
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,240
different different part of the tree is

1683
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:16,000
the way i like to think about it well

1684
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,200
for the last part of the interview i

1685
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,040
want to bring it back to ufos and

1686
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,119
talking about the context of a simulated

1687
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:23,839
universe or multiverse

1688
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,799
how do ufos fit into that for you what

1689
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,119
is the best explanation of why

1690
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,359
people see these craft why are they

1691
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,160
seeing things materialize are these

1692
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,359
objects

1693
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,920
part of our individual universes or do

1694
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:39,599
you think these could be objects which

1695
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,680
are traversing the multiverse themselves

1696
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,160
oh well you know i've considered a lot

1697
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,920
of those possibilities but

1698
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,359
you know i think the mechanics like i

1699
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,880
talked about earlier

1700
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:53,359
uh are very similar

1701
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,400
to

1702
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,680
what happens

1703
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,839
when you render

1704
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,760
in the pixels on the screen

1705
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,079
right and you can like render yourself

1706
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,920
anywhere right sometimes people talk

1707
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,160
about them moving so fast from one place

1708
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,920
to another that it's kind of

1709
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,359
mind-boggling

1710
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,280
and it's almost as if you know like

1711
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,559
you're taking a flashlight and you're

1712
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,000
kind of moving it across the screen

1713
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:15,520
right it's almost like they're going

1714
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
that fast and and that you know leads me

1715
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:20,480
to believe that in a simulated world

1716
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,920
where everything is pixels that's

1717
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,680
actually possible

1718
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,440
whereas in a physical world you know

1719
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,160
with physical laws it starts to become

1720
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,680
more and more complicated in terms of

1721
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,520
how that might work so i think from a

1722
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,680
mechanic's point of view you know this

1723
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,559
idea of materializing instantaneous

1724
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,680
travel

1725
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,359
leaving the physical

1726
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,000
dimension showing up somewhere else you

1727
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,760
know what does that mean

1728
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,760
that's possible in a world of

1729
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,160
information now i'm not saying that the

1730
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,760
ufos aren't real or physical because

1731
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,079
clearly they once they get here and they

1732
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,400
render fully they become physical

1733
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,880
objects that impact you know what

1734
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,160
happens in the physical world but they

1735
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,319
seem to have this ability you know to go

1736
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,160
in and out now in terms of you know

1737
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,000
where they're coming from

1738
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,240
i mean i i kind of subscribe

1739
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,960
a little bit to to the jock valet theory

1740
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,880
that you know they're being presented to

1741
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,839
us

1742
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,760
in a certain form

1743
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,079
right and the same way that in in in a

1744
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,200
video game i can change my avatar right

1745
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:23,920
i can look like me i can look like you

1746
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,280
know an elf or i can look like and and

1747
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,280
they can still be the same character and

1748
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,760
so the same phenomena

1749
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,839
seems to me like it's been manifested

1750
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,319
over different time periods

1751
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
going back to you know the religious

1752
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,440
phenomena

1753
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,920
from from thousands of years ago

1754
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,240
to the airships from hundreds of years

1755
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,559
ago and suddenly they're being rendered

1756
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:48,160
as heavier than

1757
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:51,680
um than air types of objects right

1758
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,799
that uh and and so that is perhaps based

1759
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:57,280
on our knowledge of the universe now i

1760
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,640
was talking about you know science

1761
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,559
fiction earlier and i feel like science

1762
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,640
fiction actually plays a role

1763
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,640
in forming our perceptions

1764
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,400
right just like when somebody saw light

1765
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,760
in the sky

1766
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,280
thousands of years ago

1767
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,599
they said oh that must be an angel

1768
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,520
right that's how they interpreted it in

1769
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,920
fact i don't know if you've had diana

1770
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,319
diana

1771
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,240
you know in in her book american cosmic

1772
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,160
and you know she talks about the fatima

1773
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,040
sightings and her background is is

1774
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,440
in catholic history and in phantom of

1775
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,040
sighting she said that sounds just like

1776
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,839
a modern contact ufo man except they

1777
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,760
interpreted it through the lens and the

1778
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,880
paradigm

1779
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,559
of that time

1780
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,599
as uh as the virgin mary right even

1781
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,119
though no she never said that's who she

1782
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,640
was right and the same thing with the

1783
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,040
sightings in egypt that that happened

1784
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:47,599
and you know even even later and so i

1785
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,400
think

1786
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,839
what happened in the earlier part of the

1787
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,119
century

1788
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,880
we began to have knowledge of the solar

1789
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:55,200
system and it spread wide so when we

1790
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,799
talked about you know aliens we were

1791
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,400
like oh it must be from mars right that

1792
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,839
was the conception and all the science

1793
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,760
fiction shows showed

1794
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,359
you know that which we could handle

1795
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,960
which is this is an alien coming from

1796
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,040
mars and you know i like to say that

1797
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,880
this idea of other planets and other

1798
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,040
solar systems past the 10 year old test

1799
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,520
right when superheroes and superman they

1800
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,359
explained his towers by saying he came

1801
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,280
from another planet in another solar

1802
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,359
system well that knowledge was pretty

1803
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,799
common at that point that there are

1804
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,319
other stars and there might be other

1805
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,079
planets and we didn't know for sure but

1806
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,000
it made sense so

1807
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,640
just like you know alien dramas today

1808
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,240
are based upon our understanding of the

1809
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:32,000
universe and so we think they have to

1810
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,000
come from another solar system because

1811
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,400
that's our current model right but now

1812
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,839
we're seeing the science fiction evolved

1813
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:39,040
to the point where

1814
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,640
the the superheroes and the villains are

1815
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,000
coming from different elements of the

1816
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,480
multiverse and so it's very possible

1817
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:46,160
that we'll be we'll start being

1818
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,359
presented

1819
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,119
with something else in the future but

1820
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,960
we're being presented with technological

1821
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,040
craft that are ahead of our current

1822
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,359
capabilities uh and so i think that's

1823
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,599
that's you know that that could be just

1824
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:59,440
how the phenomenon is presenting itself

1825
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,280
to us it may not be what it actually is

1826
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,079
we hear all quite often about ufos

1827
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,240
influencing and having direct contact

1828
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:10,160
with people we hear about people meeting

1829
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,280
beings

1830
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,119
and for many especially the general

1831
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,960
public when discussing the ufo

1832
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:16,880
conversation or topic

1833
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,000
it seems too unbelievable that res in

1834
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,039
his apartment out in arizona or andy and

1835
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:25,200
his apartment in new york or you know

1836
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,720
whoever they are wherever they are in

1837
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,039
the world why would that one individual

1838
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,359
be contacted by this incredibly advanced

1839
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,680
species and be given these incredible

1840
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,280
messages

1841
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,520
and thinking of video games it made me

1842
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,200
think just as you were talking about

1843
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:42,079
lemmings on the sega mega drive and how

1844
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,599
you would have all these little lemmings

1845
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:45,680
that would march towards a wall and they

1846
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,200
would they would keep going in the name

1847
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,280
of progress but they would get to a wall

1848
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,280
and have to stop and you didn't have to

1849
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,960
give all the lemmings a tool to get

1850
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,160
through the wall you just had to give

1851
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,480
one as the you know as the player of the

1852
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,039
game i'm in charge i could just give one

1853
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,799
lemming a pickaxe

1854
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,079
send him to the front of the queue and

1855
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,000
he would hammer away at the wall and the

1856
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,319
rest would follow and it makes me think

1857
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:08,559
is that why we hear individuals being

1858
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,920
contacted by ufos and given messages of

1859
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,400
you know staying away from nuclear power

1860
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,480
moving towards world peace

1861
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,319
as opposed to to mass sightings

1862
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,359
happening on a global basis

1863
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:23,119
yeah that's an interesting idea and i

1864
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:25,039
think it you know gets back to yeah i i

1865
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,319
don't remember that specific game but

1866
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,319
that's a nice image with the the

1867
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,400
lemmings right yeah and so you know it

1868
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,200
may get back to if we get enough people

1869
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,039
this specific message

1870
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,880
then they will start to influence the

1871
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,520
reality right uh whereas if they're

1872
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:42,240
spending all their time with the leaders

1873
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,599
you know you're going to get into all

1874
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,599
kinds of other politics

1875
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,079
and regional you know regional type

1876
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,680
things and then you know there's rumors

1877
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:52,160
of contact at that level as well but but

1878
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,720
yeah i do think that it may have to do

1879
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,720
with the individual players

1880
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,520
uh and that you know perhaps there is a

1881
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,119
level like just because somebody's in

1882
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,559
charge doesn't mean that their

1883
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,240
consciousness is more advanced in fact

1884
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,559
it might be that it's less advanced in

1885
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:08,319
many ways because of the things you know

1886
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:09,680
those are the types of people that tend

1887
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:10,400
to

1888
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:15,200
so it may be that they've decided you

1889
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:16,720
know to affect

1890
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:19,440
uh individuals that way and and i think

1891
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,720
that makes a lot of sense because there

1892
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,880
is this element of

1893
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,200
you know this non-physical aspect right

1894
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:27,520
everything comes through telepathy in

1895
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,079
many cases right uh even some of the

1896
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:32,000
abduction experiences they have been in

1897
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,200
that kind of

1898
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,880
in-between state

1899
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:37,280
right and so are they able to to

1900
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,720
communicate with us

1901
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,799
at a different level than than the

1902
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,039
physical um so so yeah i think there's

1903
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,280
definitely some some possibilities there

1904
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,200
res in the last few minutes we have i

1905
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,559
want to get to some of these listener

1906
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,720
questions i had quite a lot of sent in

1907
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,720
and they take up a few different topics

1908
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:55,280
as well first off ryan your question was

1909
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,400
answered within the body of the

1910
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,839
interview so thank you very much for

1911
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,160
sending that one in um john had a

1912
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,319
question for you that if this is a

1913
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,559
simulation rizz what are the odds that

1914
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:07,359
ufos are being spawned to inspire us to

1915
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,640
make technological progress

1916
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,640
i think there's something to that right

1917
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,839
because

1918
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:15,599
uh it's almost like they're kind of

1919
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,960
inspiring us to get to the next level

1920
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,720
right but but getting back to what i

1921
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,880
said earlier about not making it too

1922
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:24,160
easy right

1923
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,119
yeah

1924
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,200
it would be you know almost too easy if

1925
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,960
they just gave us the technology but

1926
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,200
they're kind of showing us what might be

1927
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,160
possible and now you know given the

1928
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,160
materialist

1929
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:38,160
paradigm that is very popular today

1930
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,599
we're seeing at least within government

1931
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,359
and even within we're sure you see

1932
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:43,599
cracks in the world of science right

1933
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:46,079
that says well if we see these things or

1934
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:47,119
doing it

1935
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,599
maybe we will be able to figure out

1936
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,799
eventually

1937
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,200
how it's done whereas before it was like

1938
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,039
we were just not even open within the

1939
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:58,480
scientific world to anything that could

1940
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,440
have been define what are the known

1941
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,599
laws of physics and to travel in that

1942
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:06,240
way but perhaps there is you know in

1943
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:07,839
addition to the nuclear thing maybe

1944
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:10,160
there's also an element of this is how

1945
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,440
you can travel

1946
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,680
around in this simulation because it's

1947
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,799
so big

1948
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,960
right so we need to present you

1949
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,520
with options and ways to do that and oh

1950
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,760
by the way you know here are some

1951
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,599
civilizations that got more advanced and

1952
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,680
so let's present some of that you know

1953
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,400
to you guys to give you ideas just like

1954
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,720
if you play a game like these old style

1955
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:32,240
adventure games you know they'll have

1956
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,200
clues

1957
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,119
dropped along the way and you have to

1958
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,280
follow those clues to try to get to the

1959
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,039
next level up

1960
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,760
interesting jared has a question that

1961
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,480
res as a futurist what do you think is

1962
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:46,160
the next big thing that is going to

1963
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,079
change the quality of life for the world

1964
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,839
well you know

1965
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:53,920
i'm a futurist but within sort of the

1966
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,720
computer world right and so you know i

1967
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,799
went i i didn't get to tell the story

1968
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,720
today of how i first got you know

1969
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,079
seriously thinking about simulation

1970
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,240
theory and that was when i was playing a

1971
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,799
virtual reality ping-pong game uh back

1972
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,599
in 2016 and i had the headset on and

1973
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:12,000
that it was responding so well to my

1974
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,520
movements that i felt like i was really

1975
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,680
hitting a ball and i was really paying

1976
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,359
playing table tennis against an opponent

1977
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:19,280
so much so that at the end of the game i

1978
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,400
tried to put

1979
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,160
the paddle down on the table and i tried

1980
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:23,680
to lean against the table which is

1981
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,359
something i might do at the end of a

1982
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,200
ping pong game yeah but of course there

1983
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:29,520
was no table and you know the whole

1984
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,880
thing fell

1985
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,960
uh and i almost fell over and so that

1986
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,640
got me thinking about well

1987
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,480
how long would it take us to get to the

1988
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,319
simulation point

1989
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,640
how long will it take us to build

1990
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,680
uh

1991
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,839
matrix-like simulations that were

1992
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,920
indistinguishable from physical reality

1993
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,079
and i came up with these ten stages and

1994
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,760
so for me i think there there will be a

1995
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,079
point at which you know it's what we

1996
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,079
call a singularity

1997
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,839
within uh the tech world the

1998
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,839
technological singularity now some

1999
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,000
people think of that only as ai

2000
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,760
and superhumans

2001
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,720
but

2002
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:05,039
even if we're able to simulate reality

2003
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,559
perfectly

2004
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,640
we will end up at a kind of stimula

2005
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,720
singularity beyond which there's no

2006
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:12,480
return because then you can experience

2007
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:13,520
anything

2008
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,960
right with this uh not just vr headset

2009
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,880
but with a brain computer interface like

2010
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,199
in the matrix where it will feel real to

2011
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,120
you so i think that that could be a

2012
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,600
major thing in the future but i think

2013
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,440
getting to that point still is decades

2014
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,759
if not a few hundred years away from

2015
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,279
where we are today so i think in the

2016
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,679
near term you know this idea of the

2017
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,480
metaverse this ability to have

2018
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,640
virtual property to interact with people

2019
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,560
virtually we're already interacting more

2020
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,120
virtually with everyone right

2021
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,080
and so this idea of living entire lives

2022
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:48,080
in the virtual world and getting jobs

2023
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,880
and

2024
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,960
making money within the virtual i mean

2025
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,319
we're already seeing elements of that

2026
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:54,080
within social media

2027
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,080
but there was a game called second life

2028
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,719
that was popular back in the 2000s that

2029
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,480
where you know they kind of prototyped

2030
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,319
this and people had jobs you had to go

2031
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,239
to the bar in second life to be the

2032
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,159
bartender right and so you have to log

2033
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,920
in at 10 p.m every night and then you

2034
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,440
would earn virtual currency for doing

2035
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,359
that and so we're starting to see that

2036
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,960
so those are the areas that you know i

2037
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,640
tend to focus on of course you know

2038
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,199
there's a lot of other physical things

2039
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,679
such as you know self-driving cars and i

2040
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,199
think you know we'll

2041
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,120
we'll change things quite a bit as well

2042
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,600
as i think just having more efficient

2043
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,679
you know energy efficient devices

2044
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,839
and salination technology so there's a

2045
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,440
lot of those as well i tend not to spend

2046
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:33,040
as much time on those because i'm a

2047
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,480
video game guy but

2048
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,120
i think those would be pretty important

2049
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,839
jason from l.a asks have you read

2050
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,600
spiritual works like

2051
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,600
a course in miracles which is described

2052
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,159
by helen shukman and that that almost

2053
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,719
seems to parallel the simulation theory

2054
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,640
is that a work you're aware of

2055
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,480
i'm aware of it i haven't read it

2056
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,560
specifically but you know i have read

2057
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:57,199
other many other spiritual texts in fact

2058
01:10:02,709 --> 01:09:58,320
one of my

2059
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,719
is actually about uh autobiography of a

2060
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,760
yogi which was written by yogananda

2061
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,600
uh was one of the top spiritual books of

2062
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,159
the 20th century at least in the u.s

2063
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,159
and he was one of the first guys to

2064
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,640
bring this ancient philosophy from india

2065
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,640
and really gain traction

2066
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,560
and you know he used to make the

2067
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:19,679
analogy

2068
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,480
that

2069
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,480
and this was new technology at the time

2070
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,120
right so he in in the past

2071
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,159
uh the hindus and the buddhists used the

2072
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,640
metaphors of a dream

2073
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,000
that the world is a dream and you can

2074
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,480
learn to wake up or a play a stage play

2075
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,880
the leela of the gods and shakespeare of

2076
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,120
course who had the famous line about you

2077
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,640
know all the world's a stage and the men

2078
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,480
and women are merely players and so

2079
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,280
yogananda in the 1920s used the analogy

2080
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:48,239
of a movie a film

2081
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,040
and

2082
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,360
you know he saw a film clip where all

2083
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,679
these people were dying in world war one

2084
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,520
and he asked his guru and he said well

2085
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,199
you know how can this be there's so much

2086
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,440
sadness and killing and and you know

2087
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,360
later he came to the realization that

2088
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,920
well all those actors are not dying

2089
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,520
they're not they're suffering in the

2090
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,679
movie but the actors are still there and

2091
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,199
so he used to use the idea of a

2092
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,840
projector and a film projector and you

2093
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,199
know what makes the movie interesting

2094
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:16,080
and so today i think if he were alive he

2095
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,280
would say

2096
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,840
it's a interactive movie that you can

2097
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,600
make choices and you can change the

2098
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,600
script and what does that sound like

2099
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:25,199
sounds like an interactive video game

2100
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,400
right

2101
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,560
so i think there are a lot of parallels

2102
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,159
with the different spiritual traditions

2103
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,840
i mean i haven't read that specific one

2104
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,080
but i've definitely heard of it

2105
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,640
vales asks if we are in a simulation

2106
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,640
does that make life less meaningful to

2107
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,239
you

2108
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:42,320
well not to me i mean to some people

2109
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,040
they

2110
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,960
you know because like i said i think the

2111
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,320
religions have been telling us this all

2112
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,719
along and the religions were founded by

2113
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,560
people who peeked out of the simulation

2114
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,560
right they saw something outside the

2115
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,159
simulation and then they came back and

2116
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,800
tried to codify it and use language and

2117
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,199
metaphors that we would understand you

2118
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,360
know 2 000 years ago in in christianity

2119
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,040
there's the book of life where the

2120
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,800
angels write down you know who goes to

2121
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,800
heaven who doesn't but also they're

2122
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,320
supposed to write down the deeds and in

2123
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,880
islam there's the scroll of deeds now

2124
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:14,880
it's not an actual literal scroll right

2125
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,360
they were trying to use metaphors uh

2126
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,760
that we would understand and so for me

2127
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,679
this idea that the world is a simulation

2128
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,159
is kind of an upgraded metaphor that can

2129
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:25,920
give meaning to life that says well you

2130
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,400
know maybe i chose you know this

2131
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:31,280
particular difficult path because the

2132
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,960
difficulty level

2133
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,560
is ramped up but maybe that's the

2134
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,400
challenge that i was ready for maybe a

2135
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:38,159
guy born with a silver spoon in his life

2136
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,600
at perfect health

2137
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,600
he wasn't ready for that necessarily and

2138
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,600
so that's a different way of looking at

2139
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,199
it now you don't have to look at it that

2140
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,960
way but that's how i like to look at it

2141
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,040
and how i like to think about using a

2142
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,239
simulation to make life more meaningful

2143
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,920
i've got a question from newman and

2144
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:56,000
newman's questions are always very good

2145
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,679
so i'll give you this one and this is

2146
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,480
about exploits and the simulation engine

2147
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,400
if the physical laws of the universe

2148
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,239
were intentionally designed to foster

2149
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,480
the spawning of life could this also

2150
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,159
mean that there may be bugs in the

2151
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:10,080
underlying process of the simulation

2152
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,280
engine that could be deliberately

2153
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:13,920
exploited by advanced civilizations for

2154
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,520
energy generation and propulsion

2155
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:19,440
um yeah so that's an interesting

2156
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,400
question

2157
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,880
uh i mean i i think that all software

2158
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:24,320
has bugs

2159
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,360
and glitches in the matrix you know is a

2160
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,520
term that was used in the movie

2161
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,280
uh you know i also used it in a previous

2162
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,800
book called treasure hunt which was

2163
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,520
about synchronicity and so there are

2164
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:36,960
glitches and i think a lot of the

2165
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,080
phenomena that surrounds ufos you know

2166
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,080
definitely falls into this category of

2167
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:44,080
glitches and you mentioned ghosts

2168
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,199
earlier

2169
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,800
which could just be bugs where we're

2170
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,280
replaying the same scenes of something

2171
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,280
that happened in that in that particular

2172
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,840
spot and that code wasn't necessarily

2173
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,000
cleaned up so it's still there

2174
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:57,920
running but yeah i mean i do think it's

2175
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,159
something you know i i use the example

2176
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,159
of spoon bending right i even pulled up

2177
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,400
in the video people could actually see

2178
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,719
right it's kind of a glitch right i mean

2179
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,560
this is not easy to do and yet i was

2180
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,920
able to just do it

2181
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:12,239
really quickly but only at that point in

2182
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,520
time and so it took a certain amount of

2183
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,520
energy and intention of other people

2184
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,840
focused on it in order to change the

2185
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,320
laws and so i think it is possible that

2186
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,040
these glitches can be exploited uh and

2187
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,120
now you know this may be

2188
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,280
getting getting into again speculation

2189
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,320
on the ufo issue right uh it could be

2190
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,080
that by exploiting it we're we're

2191
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:36,800
exploiting the underlying

2192
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,679
fabric of the cosmos right

2193
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,239
and if it's a quantum comp computer

2194
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,480
we're actually changing the values

2195
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,400
of things of the bits

2196
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,400
that are running and so that could

2197
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,159
potentially be dangerous in a way too

2198
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,719
right and so it could be also that

2199
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,320
there's some kind of a moratorium that

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01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,080
says you're not allowed to do that until

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01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,239
you get to a certain level or a certain

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01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:59,840
level of consciousness because you could

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01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,880
basically

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01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,880
screw around with the fabric of space

2205
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:04,159
just in the same way we have like the

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01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,520
iaea

2207
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,600
that says okay you know

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01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,880
you're not allowed to have nuclear

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01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,920
weapons it's a watchdog agency we want

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01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,280
to keep it to just the people that

2211
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,679
already have it right it's possible and

2212
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,600
you'll see you'll hear stories i was

2213
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,000
involved in a film called thrive

2214
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:22,080
uh what an earthquake take about a

2215
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,280
decade ago

2216
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,000
and you know they um the creators foster

2217
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,880
and kimberly gamble you know they they

2218
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,800
ran across these different devices that

2219
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,440
could in fact generate energy from from

2220
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,280
the ether in a way and they kept getting

2221
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,159
confiscated right now one one reason for

2222
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,760
that is you could say well it's you know

2223
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,760
the big oil companies they want to have

2224
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:43,600
petrochemical energy but another reason

2225
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,560
is to do that you again could be tapping

2226
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,320
into it's kind of like you're screwing

2227
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,400
around with the pixels of the simulation

2228
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,960
and therefore you know it's not clear

2229
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,640
who the people were that keep showing up

2230
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,400
to confiscate these types of

2231
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,080
technologies really get to a certain

2232
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,880
point uh and so you know yeah i mean i

2233
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,560
think there are bugs

2234
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,000
there are glitches

2235
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,080
uh that could be exploited some of which

2236
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,120
are more mental psychological spiritual

2237
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,679
and some of which are more physical

2238
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,920
and on a similar vein the final question

2239
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,480
from neil if we live in a simulation

2240
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,159
could it be possible that the speed of

2241
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:20,880
light in a vacuum represents the maximum

2242
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,239
processing power of the system

2243
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,159
yes absolutely and so you know it's

2244
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:28,400
really strange that the speed of light

2245
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,159
is this arbitrary kind of speed limit

2246
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,159
and well turns out you know that is the

2247
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,239
speed limit for

2248
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,400
communication right at least as we

2249
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,920
understand it and right now i'm talking

2250
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,080
to you at the speed of light and you

2251
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,000
know if you were in a video game

2252
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,239
uh and two of us were playing that would

2253
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,719
be more or less the speed limit for

2254
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,640
being able to communicate information

2255
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:51,920
that had to go

2256
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,320
through the physical plane now there may

2257
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:56,239
be glitches outside of that and ways to

2258
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,600
get around that but it could also be

2259
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,040
processing power some people have

2260
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:02,719
theorized that

2261
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,280
time dilation right the faster you go to

2262
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,440
the speed of light the harder it is for

2263
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:09,040
the simulation

2264
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:12,080
to keep track of what's going on and you

2265
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,120
know without getting too much in the

2266
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:15,360
computer science the way multitasking

2267
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,480
works is

2268
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,239
you know if i'm running microsoft word

2269
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,560
and then i'm running some other program

2270
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,400
in the background

2271
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,640
the program in the foreground runs

2272
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,239
200

2273
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,400
cpu instructions and then the one in the

2274
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,800
background runs one at a time and so

2275
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,159
some people have theorized that time

2276
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,800
dilation is simply a matter of the the

2277
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,560
computation that's required when you

2278
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,719
start to move across space

2279
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:40,960
so quickly for you it seems like only so

2280
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,120
many steps have passed right so you

2281
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:44,800
don't age because you're similar your

2282
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,520
code is only running like five steps

2283
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,840
right whereas the rest of the world is

2284
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,560
running you know 100 200 steps so you

2285
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,440
kind of go into this background state

2286
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,040
and then that would explain at least

2287
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,199
from a computational point of view why

2288
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,960
time dilation happens and you end up you

2289
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,880
know a thousand years in the future well

2290
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,320
it's not a thousand years in the future

2291
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,760
from your perspective because your

2292
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,400
program was only running this many steps

2293
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,719
uh and everybody else's programs you

2294
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,560
know we're running at a certain speed so

2295
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,440
it gets gets down to the clock speed and

2296
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,040
what runs in the foreground and what's

2297
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,120
called context switching in computer

2298
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,800
systems

2299
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,239
res this has been a fascinating

2300
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,159
conversation for me i've learned a lot

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01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,480
i've understood most of it and i'm sure

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01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,320
the listeners have as well or the

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01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,159
viewers on youtube just to finish off

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01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,920
can you tell people how they can follow

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you and also follow your work

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yeah absolutely so on twitter they can

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follow me at ris stanford just like the

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and yeah they can go to my website which

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is called zentrepreneur.com

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and from there you know there's links to

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all my books

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many of my articles that i've written

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the books are available you know on

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always encourage people to

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order them from local bookstores yes

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where possible

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order them online

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and i even have a podcast about

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simulation theory if you really want to

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go deep in

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certain episodes uh as well which i

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haven't done lately but there's a a good

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number of episodes already up on that

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[Music]

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01:22:59,629 --> 01:22:57,590
there was something on my head and

2401
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,639
everything was weird and everything was

2402
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:01,920
ready they thought this was noise they

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:25,590
[Music]

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01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:30,360
me

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01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:34,709
[Music]

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01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:44,030
foreign

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01:24:06,950 --> 01:23:55,920
[Music]

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01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:06,960
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:27,590
[Music]

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01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:58,650
yes